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Jul 14 06 4:47 PM

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Jake. I am doing all the exercise. Im on Lesson One. I mean ill do all the exercises on Lesson One (CD 3) and post it here so you guys can judge if im doing it right. Would you like to help? :) It would be greatly appreciated

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Jul 14 06 5:11 PM

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Ok. I'll try to help ya to.

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Jul 14 06 5:29 PM

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Recording at the moment.

This morning i couldnt hit the A above mens high C. i could only hit like D above mens high C. But i seem to have hit it this time. Could it be improvement in voice? Or just luck? :P
I dont know, its kinda squeaky when i hit the A above mens high C, but i think i got the note.

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Jul 14 06 7:30 PM

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Ok, so far I've listened to the humming one. And, I certainly think that in that clip you are going into falsetto. You'll notice the change in the clip: It's where you become very quiet, that's falsetto. Now, I wouldn't say falsetto is a bad thing, it's just not what you're aiming for.

Hold on, I'll listen to some more...

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Jul 14 06 7:41 PM

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I listened to the Lip Rolls, and yep, that's falsetto. You're really trying way too hard, especially as you go higher. If you have to try harder to go higher, something is not right.

Here's something that should help: On the Lip Rolls, for instance, try making it more like a dopey "Uhh" sound like you can hear Brett talking about on the SS program. It should help relax your muscles, get you into head voice instead of falsetto, and you won't have to work so hard. ...Really. :D

I'll listen to some more of the clips...

By the way, I'm sorry if I just sound like I'm being a critic... I am trying to help. So, anway, Tongue Trills. To me it sounds like you're doing the Tongue Trills in the way that Brett says not to do them: The sort of breathy, "th" way instead of the cleaner, "d" way. Have you ever rolled your "r"s? The Tongue Trill should be the same thing except that it might be more "d"ish instead of "r"ish.

Hope that makes sense. ;)

Hmm... The nays... Yeah, you're right, the cry isn't correct. Looks like you're doing all the things that I was doing. I have a suggestion: If you haven't been, make sure to eat healthily especially before vocalizing. Sure, if you eat some chicken, maybe wait an hour, then do your singing excercises, then later have some ice cream or something, then that should be fine. But, try not to eat any unhealthy things before practicing. Oh, also, no dairy products before vocalizing. Trust me, eating healthily helps. I can't practice correctly if I had eaten something unhealthy recently. :\ And, water is what you should drink during practice. ;)

Maybe I'll be able to post some recordings of me doing some singing excercises tomorrow. :)

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Jul 15 06 2:24 AM

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I always drink water then practicing..

The tongue trills. I couldnt even roll R's a day ago, so its new to me. How do i produce the D sound? And as you can tell, i cant hold onto the trill for long, i either run out of breath or i just cant continue to trill! Will this improve as i do it more often?

Ill try the dopey sound tomorrow in the morning when i do the singing drills.

As for the nay's, do you know how to produce that sound? The cry?

As for the falsetto...how can i make it right? It does get harder as i go up. I try and go a bit higher becuase maybe my range isnt very big?

Well, thanks! Id love to here clips of you doing the exercises.

Id also love feedback from others! Jake, musiciano! Anyone.

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Jul 15 06 1:02 PM

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Well, as far as the Tongue Trills go, I just today learned how to do them the way you're doing them, and I say that it is hard to keep it going. The way you're doing them, I believe, the tip of your tongue just sorta stays at the roof of your mouth while the rest of the tongue vibrates. But, the right way is sorta different: The whole tongue vibrates, and it's much easier to do and sustain. The result of this different trill should nearly automatically produce more of a D sound. But, if it doesn't, just try to make it sound more like "duh" and it should be right.

The Trills should be most easily done when your mouth is in a normal position, without muscles pulling your face around in various directions. If you simply close your mouth normally, then let your jaw drop by gravity, that's the position your mouth should be in. :) Also, you add a dopey sound to both the Lip Rolls and Tongue Trills.

As far as I know, falsetto is usually activated because there's lots of strain on your vocal cords, so they just sorta seperate and release the tension. If you can be relaxed, without the muscles outside of your larynx being used, and with a dopey sound or cry, doing scale work, you should eventually get to head voice. Just don't push or go beyond what is comfortable. If it hurts, stop. You'll get to where it doesn't hurt eventually.

Head voice should feel somewhat like falsetto, except more connected. If you pay attention, you should be able to tell what I mean. Head voice will sound fuller and cleaner and clearer and stronger than falsetto, especially as you strengthen it with scale work and such. Remember, your vocal cords are muscles too, they need conditioning, except pain doesn't equal gain in this case. ;)

...Oh, and your range. Don't worry about it. Often times the less you think about doing better, the better you do. If you keep doing what's right, your range will improve. Just don't expect it to simply come to you in a day. You've got to work at it somewhat. But, work can be fun, right? Of course it can! So let the fun begin! :D

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Jul 15 06 1:14 PM

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Okay thanks. I just woke up, an hour or two to warm up and im giong to do the drills.

Can you post recordings of you doing the drills do i know how it sounsd? Thanks if you can but its alright it you cant.

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Jul 15 06 4:14 PM

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Hi there 761349.

I listened to your clips and you are doing the exact same things I was doing in the beginning. So here are my two cents...

What you need to change in your approach is to lower your volume. Your trying to sound like the singers on the CD, but your muscles arent that cordinated yet to do thrills and rolls at that volume.
The feeling you should be going for is a weightless feeling, and it is going to crack and break in the beginning, but dont get discouraged, because it will even out more every day you do the exercises. Dont try to push your way through that difficult part where you flip, instead lower your volume, concentrate on keeping the lips bubbling and I tell you, after a week it will be so much smoother already!

On the nays, you need to whine more :D And another thing you could do, is to make the nei-sounds as short as possible, dont make them as long as the singers on the cd:s do in the beginning, the shorter the nei-sounds you make, the easier it will be for you to stay connected throughout your range. Once you get that, you can start making the sounds longer.

And the most important thing is to keep believing, these exercises have helped out plenty of singers and will help you too!

Best of luck to you.
Grandi

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Jul 15 06 4:16 PM

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Ok, I had some excercises recorded, but they were .wav files so they were pretty big sizes files. I'm gonna try the better recording equipment we have and see how that works out.

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Jul 15 06 9:53 PM

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Good advice Grandi. Singers make the mistake of thinking that loud means good. But it doesn't. Loud just means loud. Loud sounds will not help you develop your voice as efficiently as low volume sounds... that is the best place to find your incosistenies. Most singers fear these inconsitencies and turn the volume up until they're disguised and then they're left with no improvement. It's the weak parts of your voice that you have to work on.

You have to become aware of the fact that you are singing way too loud, and that it is not because it is not because your voice "is that way" or you "like it that way" or "want it that way." It comes from being afraid that if you don't sing that loudly you will not be able to hit the notes. But hitting a loud, nasal and harsh note isn't much better than singing at a lower volume even if it cracks... in fact singing loudly because of lack of control is worse because instead of offering benefits it offers irritation! So sing at a low volume even if it skips, cracks, breaks, shakes or any other incosistency occurs and be aware of the fact that this is where the coordination needs to be established before you can advance to a louder volume.

So turn it down and you can't lose!

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Jul 16 06 1:43 AM

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musiciano...

is that thing you wrote towards me or neonotso? Im sorry i didnt know.

Im adding the dopey sounds right now. The trills, i think i found a way to use LESS air and i think i might be making the D sound now.

The nay's...i am not sure about that. When i do this drill, my range is not as wide, is this normal? It also seems chanllenging to do the cry.

Ill record these things again tomorrow and show you guys.

As for head voice, i usually get mixed up with head voice and falsetto. My head voice is not strong i dont think. Ill also record what i think is my head voice and what i think is my falsetto.

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Jul 16 06 12:02 PM

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It was for you. Practice at a much lower volume than you are now. Less volume = less air = less tensing up.

Actually neonotso sang at a pretty low volume, which is good.

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Jul 16 06 12:04 PM

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I believe it's normal for you to have a harder time getting up higher on the nays because the nasal sound from the nays causes the larynx to rise. And, if it raises too high, it causes pain and eventually you'll have to stop if it continues to rise. But, the nays are more for helping your voice to get through the transition to head voice. For me, it was easier to do the nays after I had gotten to head voice through the other excercises.

Also, I was also confused at first with head voice and falsetto. It'll take some time to figure it out, but you'll know eventually. If you can, go into a high note in what you think is head voice. Then, slide down, and if you hear basically a crack or click or something like that as you go down far enough, it's probably falsetto. But, also, it could be that if your voice is basically trying to get to the mix that you might feel or hear something similar to the click out of falsetto, but it shouldn't be as noticable or big. Just a guess about the last sentence though... ;)

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