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From: "octaves_of_steel"
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:03 am


hi jesse, im really glad youve posted here as its really cleared up
some things i wanted to know (i.e. its possible to have a full high
sound after the passagio)the thing i really want to know is how to
acheive the mix, that is how do i get that chest sound into my head
voice. i think the thing i tend to do now is either go from chest to
falsetto or go from chest to a pure head voice that doesnt contain
the bottom undertones of a chesty full sound. i have had one teacher
say im a baritone another say i could possibly be a bass baritone
and the last i had said i could possible be a baritone stroke tenor.
to tell the truth i dont care what i am i just want to carry a
connected full sound throughout my range. i know its hard to give
advice without hearing my voice but i will describe my registers . i
can sing 2 G's below middle C some F# is also possible too but
probably the easiest note to produce is the A just above the bottom
G. my chest voice then goes up to around D/Eb above middle C some E
and F is possible but its straining a little bit. then im not sure
if im going into falsetto or whether its head voice( though i would
think its a head voice when ive acheived to smoothe the break a
little)if i sing the E or F above middle C now it sounds weak. when
i get to around the G or A its stronger, this goes up to around the
C above middle C though some D is possible but it feels a little bit
of a different sensation.after this i would consider that im going
into a reinforced falsetto which goes from the E above middle C up
to the A but im really pushing the air at that point to get the A.
what i would like to know is 1. how do i get into the mix sound (not
pure head voice or falsetto) and 2. how high can i take that
connected sound ( would it be possible to take it all the way to the
high E for instance). it would be alot easier to indicate what sort
of sounds im talking about by comparing them to singers such as Rob
Halford (judas priest), King Diamond, or Geoff Tate (queensryche)
but im guessing you dont know those bands as there probably not your
sorta thing! haha!

if you could give me any advice that would be great,
cheers.
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Apr 28 05 3:14 PM

Re: Tessitura: Re: answers PLEASE! to jesse

From: "Jesse Nemitz"
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:20 pm
Subject: Tessitura: Re: answers PLEASE! to jesse admiraljdn


I have gotten a lot of emails telling me that I am helping them too
and only one that has had a negative vibe to it that i don't know
what i'm talking about so I was thinking about not posting anymore
cause i don't want to create issues. I know Kristina typically
answers most posts and she does a fine job. I just chimed in when i
felt people weren't getting good enough answers.

I don't enjoy being harrassed for trying to help thats all :)
Thanks for letting me know that I'm helping you out. If you like my
voice sound and you want to know HOW I'M doing it read my posts. If
you think I sound bad then feel free to disaggree and come up with
your own theorys on technique. But at least if you are going to
teach somebody you should have the credence to let them hear you
demonstrate it first. Doesn't that make sense? I only want to
help. And this is the place people come for it so...

I was exactly like you in singing, so hearing you talk is like me a
year ago :) Without hearing how you are able to land on the low A
I'm not sure i can accurately classify your voice. That would just
be dumb for me to try. Email me and possibly I could setup a short
phone conversation to help you with the REALLY hard stuff. Also
email me about brett manning's program which is the only way I ever
learned how to do "mix" "full" "strong head voice" "belt" (yucky
word)"high chest
voice" "middle" "magical" "heroic" "shinging" "resonant" WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO CALL IT. It doesn't change the fact that it exists and
YOUR chords, octaves_of_steel, CAN and WILL do that coordination.

The biggest lie ever told was your range is determined by something
OTHER than your level of technique. I have analzyed and studied
MANY "gifted" singers with no training who have awesome high notes.
They do the SAME stuff that I have to do now just they were doing it
without thinking. Now I can do it without thinking but i did have
to LEARN it (like 99 percent of other male singers in training).
Don't buy in to the lie that you CAN'T sing in a NICE mix.

I'll tell you what did it for me, but the only garuntee I can give
you is to buy brett's program and work patiently and with great
committment. I have conviction about what i talk about because if
you do anything for an hour a day for a year and it REALLY worked
for you, theres no way to be grey about it. Its black and white.
Either it WORKED or it DIDN'T work. Its really that simple.
Or you could do live lessons with him or an associate. but really,
having the frame of reference that you get in a home study course
kicks the crap out of just psending 150 bucks for an hour and only
getting that much instruction (however good it may be) Other stuff
might work for other people (of course its not like peopel havent
been singing for thousands of years) but I have seen what has worked
for me and therfor I'm going to let everyone know it :)

Anyway, the mix:

STEP 1 -
The way I got to it was FIRST reinforcing the small head voice (not
falsetto). If you can sing easily on all yoru high notes using
1/3rd of the chord and have a pretty tone with a good amount of
resonance (however soft the actual note is going to be) then you are
on the FIRST step to experiencing the mix. The mix will end up
FEELING about the same but just with more sound traveling around in
your resonance cavaties and certainly more of the chords being used
to vibrate. (small sound, less chord | thicker sound, more chord )
Isn't THAT an easy concept?

Now if you can sing in small head voice, then sing some of your
scales and whatever you practice on (i use brett's organization
becaus it warms up and excercises the voice perfectly)but when you
go high, DROP the tension of chest voice and use the lighter head
voice to sing everything above your bridge (Eb) but DO NOT
DISCONNECT. Listen to my audio sample where i slide chest all the
way up to a nice light head and then come down with NO breaks. Sing
every excercie like THAT at first. Once you can do that, its time
for step two.

Step TWO: The edge. If you can get this, then you just about have
the "mix" in its full concept. You need to have a SMALL and LIGHT
edgy chord closure on EVERY single note in your range. Make the
sound a door makes when it creaks or that groggy sound when you get
out of bed. LEARN to do that free and easy on every part of your
voice. It is light and it all connects. THere is hardly any volume.
I will post samples possibly today. Pleas if you want to learn
this, brett's CD 6 is almost entirely about how to get your edge
thang on. i can't even begin to explain it better than he teaches
it. There are so many tricks and ideas to use when doing it and the
scales are a neccessity.

Step THREE: you have to take the light edge sound and put the head
voice "push" with the edge. The only catch is, you cannot blow your
chords apart. It can't feel breathy. it can be light, don't kid
yourself, BUT it cannot have a bunch of air escaping through the
chord. If you can keep the chords closed and efficient you will
have a "light" mix. It basically gives the tone more body and a bit
more volume at the top. So far EVERYTHING done so far are
unfinished sounds; Just stepping stones to actually being able to
sing high (yes it takes conditioning, but man its fun when you are
able to get it :)

After that, you have to begin to condition the chords to hold back a
slightly higher pressure of air being thrown at them. Imagine this:

When you have a ballon full (by the way I hate breathing excercises
about ballons and stupid things like that. Breathing is such a
misunderstood thing. Believe me high notes don't come from
magically breathing correctly one day. Thats just dumb. You get
your high notes FIRST and they sound average THEN you can start to
balance air compression and breathing and come up with some EPIC
sounds.) Ok, the balloon:

WHen its full and you just let the air come out in full force, it
blows through the tip of the balloon and it just creates a whoosh of
air. Now imagine this. WHen you pull out the balloon tip between
your fingers, what happens? The air is stopped from rushing out of
the balloon and a whiny sqeaky sound comes out instead of the
WHOOOSH. If you pull it longer or shorter or tighter you can get
different soudns to come out varrying in pitch and intesnity. In
fact, it can get PRETTY DARN LOUD and annoying if you get it "just
right".

Now, imagine the air coming at your vocal chords and they are doing
the same thing. YOu blow too much air and the chords don't hold
together, then you don't get sound heardly at all. Just a whoosh
(falsetto or maybe a airy straining sound). Now imagine holding
back the air and allowing just the right amount of pressure and the
right amount of closure to the chords. NOW you have a nice thick
and easy chest voice (yes chest voice can be produced incorrectly)
and a edgy mix that carries through the whole voice. That idea
combined with the edgy start sound (not very much needed) and a push
on the head voice, can produce the RAW mix sound on any note in your
range (up to about E above high C realisticlly.)


You need to do that easily on D,Eb just above middle C. And take it
up from there. Use less air as you go up and you can experience the
first high notes you've ever sung well. After that, its just
excercising them with scales and becoming familiar with how you have
to sing to stay on that coordination. If you can stay there no
matter what you sing, then you are considered Awesome. Also you
have to play with resonance and how you want your mouth shaped and
how to hold your chest and whatever. I have foudn THIS is where
the "relaxation" tips are ReALLY useful. Once you KNOW how to make
the vocal SOUND. You need to find the easiest way to do it and
STILL keep the chords nice and closed and have the right tension.
Any excess msucles should be discarded at that point. (neck, upper
lip, tounge, etc)

But can't you see how its misleading to tell someone, "singing
should be free and easy in the head voice and completely relaxed."
YES it WILL be, but the chords still have work to do so being lazy
ISNT the answer. Believe me, it isn't. It... IS... NOT.

Please keep this discussion going with any more questions. An
answer to one question brings a thousand more. I will always point
you to singingsuccess.com because it will save you the time and its
much nicer to have something objective to work by and compare
yoruself to.

Have a great day octaves and do you want any specific soudn
samples? What do you want to hear? I'll try to record it if i can.

~Jesse Nemitz

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Apr 28 05 3:20 PM

Re: Tessitura: Re: answers PLEASE! to jesse

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--- hi jesse thanks for all your advice. i will check out the brett
manning stuff. out of the vocal techniques ive read about or tried i
think SLS had made the most sense to me and the excersises ive tried
so far seem to help.i have seth riggs book and i do find the
excersises helpfull but its hard to tell if your doing something
right without say i teacher to let you know. i have managed to find
a SLS teacher in london(in the u.k.)though he is only level 1 but i
think it might be useful to have a couple of lessons just so i know
im heading in the right direction. thanks again.

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Jul 13 06 8:50 PM

Hi

I posted a note in your "where are you section" on 4 July and didn't get a reply. Seems I was in the wrong bit! Anyway. Your last posting said he found a teacher in London! Can you tell me where? I was looking at the Singing Success site and I read a lot of the postings on your message board and listened to your recordings and the change in your voice is amazing. One minute you sound like a pubescent boy and the next a clean strong adult male voice! You sound wonderful. Only problem I have is purchasing a series of cd's from across the world and not having a "live" tutor to refer back to? Also, I haven't read much feedback from any of the girls out there? How are the girls finding the course? What amazing improvements did it have on them? I'm a Musical Theatre actress in London, but I've auditioned for parts and have been told that I'm not breathing efficiently and I need to build up my support. I know they're right because I can feel it..but I'm also asthmatic and suffering a lot at this time of year...but I know other asthmatic singers who are absolutely fine..I would be grateful for a reply from you, and some female singers. VV>D:o

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Jul 21 06 6:26 AM

Great advice some question

That information sounds really valuable.
I have the singing success program and just have a question about what I'm shoud do. When I do the exercises should I worry about my layrnx or anything like that or should I just follow the exercises not worrying about that kind of stuff. I can never tell if I'm doing the exercises correctly.. and should I worry about the sound I'm producing? It always feels like it doesn't sound right when I do it...

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Jul 25 06 5:41 PM

Re: Great advice some question

good singing isn't going to feel right to someone who doesn't know how to sing of course. The thing to watch is your larynx. If it jams up into your throat (goes up uncontrolled) then you probably need to slow down and rethink things. maybe sing lighter for a while. Just keep it as even as possible even if it isn't low. what I wouldn't worry about is if the sounds you are making sound like your favorite professional singers. It will be a while before you can take what you learn and apply it to finished vocal sound. so take pressure off yourself by not expecting soaring high notes the very first month. it just takes time.

~Jesse Nemitz

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