Remove this ad

Lead

Nov 14 09 8:05 AM

Tags : :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv-pfEvo_7c

For the clip above, fast forward to the 2: 21 mark, onwards...

and for this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI69SqWaqwU

are they "splatting" out of the mouth? Well, its a familiar song so pls look for the high notes.

I just wanna know what assessment you guys have of these singers.

Last Edited By: refuter Jan 1 10 8:02 PM. Edited 1 time

Quote    Reply   
Remove this ad
Remove this ad

#2 [url]

Jan 2 10 1:56 PM

We have to define the term "pulling chest" or "splatting out the mouth." Whenever Brett demonstrates the "pulled chest sound" all I hear is constriction. Or someone singing with a high larynx. The rule for chesty sounds is this: "If you want something to sound chesty, then you need to have chest." Saying someone is "pulling chest" can have negative connotations. Also, people seem to use the term "pulling chest" to mean a different number of things, but whatever Brett does for demonstrating it I just say is constriction.

Now, there is a variation of pulling chest where someone CAN try to go too thick in their upper range. A high C WILL NOT sound as thick or say.. an E4. There's more head voice involved with that high C. If you try to make the C5 sound as thick as that E4 you will hurt yourself.

Now, what you do need is that compression or squeeze in the voice. If you want to sing mix or high chest you need it. A lot of people hear that squeezy sound and think "constricted" but its not really. The guy from Symphony X does a great job there. He has that compression. Jon Foreman's isn't too bad but he could go a little bit deeper. Of course he's not singing as high as the Symphony X guy. But I've seen on forums where someone shows a clip of a Gospel singer to an opera singer and even though the gospel/R&B singer is using the same coordination as the opera singer, the opera singer says they are pulling chest or whatnot.

http://www.box.net/shared/3el54j301u

Here's me trying to sing Only Hope and trying to explain a little bit that compression. Sorry for the mess up its been AGES since I've practiced this song. I'll have to do one of these with my studio mic so you guys can hear more clearly. But text never explains anything, audio is best for you guys to know what one is talking about.

I explain a coupl things in the video. One is about compression there other is about the high frequencies and the low frequencies in the voice. Some people (like bad opera singers) go way too low and muddy. This is not the ideal sound for ones voice. Some people go the other route though and go too high larynxed for their voices. You wan to stick with a middle ground. Not only does it sound better, but the voice is better balanced. Nothing wrong with going high larynx or low for an effect in the song, but you don't want to sing this way.

Your Text Signature ...

Last Edited By: guitarro777 Jan 2 10 2:02 PM. Edited 2 times.

Quote    Reply   

#3 [url]

Jan 2 10 9:15 PM



Oh, yeah I meant pulling up chest in the sense, that there is no mixture of head resonance to balance things out. Oh, and the band wasn't Symphony X... I was just curious about how that vocalist might have been going about things, cuz he has been coaching the pianist of the band and all he said was "project from the stomach." So could it be he might BE doing things correctly as far as register coordination is concerned but he just doesn't know how to explain it right?

And thanks for the podcast! I can see that you can compress easier when you don't spread the vowel as wide, right? So yeah, I think I agreed months ago that a strong chesty sound in the upper range definitely means pulling up chest (in a good way), in fact Jesse says that building strength in the upper range by starting from the bottom is kind of like pulling up chest (but again, n0t in a bad way)...

Happy New Year and Thanks Sergio!!


Quote    Reply   

#4 [url]

Jan 2 10 11:03 PM

Just because someone doesn't explain things in your terms doesn't mean they are not a good vocalist. There are good singers out there that just know how to sing and just by fooling around and practicing have figured out how to do things correctly. Most singers out there probably can't tell you the names of all the muscles involved etc. Also a lot of singers have not had formal lessons. Don't assume ignorance on technical terms means they don't know what they are doing.

Actually, Jaime Vendera sings full out, that is what he is known for. In fact, Jesse and Brett say that Jaime is "pulling up chest healthily."

And yes, if you spread too much you will lose compression. What you want to do more is open the mouth vertically and narrow the vowels. If you want to sing fuller your mouth needs to be open more. Then once you figure out the compression from this position you can work on how wide you want to open your mouth if you want more of a "splatty" sound. But you need to figure it out for your own voice because everyone's mouth is shaped different. I have a small mouth (like Pavarotti) compare my mouth to Yolanda Adams or Rachelle Ferrel. They have HUGE mouths and can get away with the spreading a bit more because of it. Of course though you don't want to go ultra spread. But the rule to think of is, the fuller the sound the more narrow the mouth. It's not as dangerous to spread if you aren't singing that full out. Also, you will want to spread a bit more as you go higher like C5 and beyond.

And remember too there are different degrees of technique. Someone can get away with having ok technique. And some people figure out how to work around it etc. But just because this is the case doesn't mean they are doing things right. Like John Foreman does use compression but its not exactly right, and I wouldn't copy what he does, but he does have that squeeze. Make sense?

Your Text Signature ...

Quote    Reply   

#5 [url]

Jan 2 10 11:24 PM


And remember too there are different degrees of technique. Someone can get away with having ok technique. And some people figure out how to work around it etc. But just because this is the case doesn't mean they are doing things right. Like John Foreman does use compression but its not exactly right, and I wouldn't copy what he does, but he does have that squeeze. Make sense?


Yup! taking what's right from other singers and applying it to how it suits your voice?

Just because someone doesn't explain things in your terms doesn't mean they are not a good vocalist.


Haha I'm NOT a big fan of terminology at all... but I was kind of expecting he'd be able to explain the SENSATION of that crossing the voice over to his pianist friend rather than just give him "project from the stomach". image

But anyway, I believe there was a quote from the Richard Miller book about good sailors being able to tie knots, yet they can NOT explain in coherent terms how those knots are tied, so I suppose the same applies to some gifted vocalists who've had no formal training.

Quote    Reply   
Add Reply

Quick Reply

bbcode help