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Hey, so I tried doing some covers of songs...I'm currently using brett manning's singing success, ive only used it for 2 days, but what i've
learned is that if i sing with low volume, i can go from lowest note to highest note without any breaks. When I sing at low volume at notes around E above
middle C to A above middle C, I consider those to be in mixed voice, even though it just sounds like head voice to me. So how am i supposed to
differentiate...is there a diference in feeling. Finally, no matter how hard I try, I can';t get my adam's apple to stop shooting up when i sing lol!
Just to slightest utterance of a word with a note causing it to skyrocket. I heard this was wrong. Thanks for the help. My videos are at http://www.youtube.com/user/ChristopherLegend Thanks for your help guys
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Napilopez |
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Gahhhh I wrote a nicelong response as always, then accidentally deleted it, as always. In any case I had made a podcast which basically explains what I had
typed.
Just to clarify, just becaus eyou can connect E-A doesnt mean you are mixing on it, you can connect without mix. if it sounds like head voice, then it probably is; mix usually sounds like chest voice in a higher range. I watched all your vids, you have a great tone and awesome musicality, I like your little changes to the songs. None of those were particularly vocally challenging, but they were good. Oh, and welcome to the forums! =] Listen to my advice here: http://www.box.net/shared/8geb5f37i6 |
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Wow, thanks soo much, the audio file you made helped me so much. I thought just the connection was mixed voice, and was wondering why it sounded so much like
head voice, it was because it was head voice! I liked the sound of your mix, so it's that twangy sound i'm looking for. It's kinda like the way
bono sounds in with or without you on the high notes. I always though they were pulling up their chest to get those notes, but that would be pretty amazing to
be able to pull one's chest voice up to an A. I guess i just have to keep working on the exercizes. will I wake up one morning and realize that I have
developed a mix?
And a quick question, in the song somewhere only we know by keane, when he goes up for that high A, is he pulling his chest, cuz it sounds like he's really struggling. Thanks a lot for your help, it's much appreciated |
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Hmm really? I don't here the struggling aspect to it. At least not in the music video I listened to, I hadn't heard that song in so long! I love keane
lol. I just love music ^_^
I think what you may be interpreting as struggling is just a stylistic effect he's using to represent the tension and strength of the emotions in the song. It doesn't sound like pulling up chest; that usually involves splatting the vowel. He's just belting it out with some induced tension for effect. Which of the several A4s are you referring to? As for finding mix: It depends. You seem to be almost there though, and I mean it isn't as if you just have mix once and then you can do any note in mix, you have to work to strengthen it. You may already have a beginning to mix, as I saw you hit a clean F4 in at least one of your recordings, and that may begin to be considered mix, though the amount of overlap of coordinations and such is iffy. Much shorter audio response, complete with bonus improvved song at the end! http://www.box.net/shared/h5dac0zb58 P.S. Would you rather I use less audio clips? I realize for some people it may be too time consuming to have to read text AND listen to a podcast lol. So please tell me if you'd like me to stop! Or cut them down or something. I always do try to cut them down but end up longifying them T_T.
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I LOVE Keane!
Listen to Chris Keller's "Crazy": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaSU0AC1YSI This is a good video to show whether you can tell the difference between strain and styles that imitate that sound. Chris is NOT straining in this video. He is not actually squeezing, but he imitates the slightly "squeezed" sound for stylistic purposes. Watch how this is possible in this Eric Arcenaux video starting at 9:11. The demonstration part is really 9:53-10:05, but you can keep on watching to see how he explains things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PrzR4cK6AM Chris is not doing the exact same thing as Eric, but the same idea--playing with levels of twang--applies. Chris is transitioning, but he plays with the level of twang to make the sound more intense and aggressive.
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The audio clips really help me understand what you're trying to say, especially when you showed me the difference between pulling chest voice up that high,
and using the mix; when you used the mix, it sounded exactly like the song, so I've got that cleared up. I guess I have to keep working on the exercizes.
Btw, when I reached the F4 in you found me, i think i was pulling chest voice for that, so I have to work a bit more. Thanks a lot for all your help,
napilopez.
And the two videos you showed me, unspoken whisperer, helped me understand that you can make mixed or head voice sound like chest voice being strained, or whatever else you want it to sound like, so that really helped with my understanding...I'm now more motivated to keep going with this program, thanks a lot |
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Sorry for the double post...i just recorded the chorus of broken strings by james morrison...i just woke up so it sounds really sketchy...I just wanted some
feedback as to whether, when i sing the A4 note (it's A flat) if im going into my mix or if im pulling up my chest, because it takes me a good deal of
effort to get the "truth hurts" line up there, and considerably more for the "lies worse" maybe because it's a different phenome.
Thanks a lot for the feedback
http://www.zshare.net/audio/677574848b2f74e7/ p.s. for the struggling in the keane song, i was referring to the "and IF you have a minute why don't we go" the IF is on the A4
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Ahh, you are definitely doing pulling here, which is causing you to crack and stuff and sound strainy. The reason the truth is easier is probably because of
the vowel, as you said. "Ooo" is a type of closed vowel, whichs guides you towards head voice and help counteract the tendency to pull and reach.
"Lies" on the other hand, has an "Ahh" sound in it, especially the wayyou pronounced it. Ahh is an open vowel which pulls you more towards
chest voice. A general thing to keep in mind when working on this range is to close your vowels a little bit on the harder parts in order to help keep things a
bit more stable. In other words, add a bit more "oo" behind the open vowels.
Which CD are you doing? Keep in mind that the CDs are to be done until you feel very comfortable with the exercises on a CD, and then you move on to the next CD, its not an exercise by exercise program, but rather a CD by CD one. You can, however, do exercises from other CDs if they help you, but in general it should be done CD by CD. Although you weren't producing a healthy sound for the high notes in that recording, it's still encouraging because it was a mix. It wasn't a "good" mix, but it was a mix. It helps alot that you already can mix, because now its more of a matter of refining it. Make sure when you do the exercises that you listen closely to brett's commentaries. Every once in a while, like once a week or so, listen again to the information he gives you before each exercise, and the examples. Sometimes you'll notice something you didn't before. I know the CDs can be time consuming so we have a tendency to skip past his advice after we've heard it the first time, but its important to go back to it every once in a while. I don't remember the exercises in the first few CDs exactly, but I recommend you try singing that song by substituting the lyrics with dopey "mum"s "No"s and/or neutral-larynxed "Nuah"s. I find the No's and Nuah's particularly helpful when it comes to mix, as they help you compress on a closed vowel. |
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Yeah, the truth part is a lot easier too. I can also use head voice but ameliorate it with so much raspiness that it sounds like actual voice...but in the end,
i have a lot more work to do refining my mix. I don't know how often I should do the exercizes. I'm on CD 4 by the way. I don't want to move on
until I feel comfortable transitioning from chest to mix to head voice. The Mum's worked, I was able to go up with a bit less effort then when I recorded
it. Thanks for all your help, I'll keep working on this, and get back to you when I've made some progress
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Hey so I was singing with my band today, and they were showing me a new song and i was testing out the key of the song and how my melodies would go...and
without thinking, i was able to go to a B above middle C, and it sounded really good...like not full head voice or chest voice, but somewhere in between...when
i got home i tried to record it...trying not to think about how high it was...so here's my attempt. It starts with a B kinda heady, then i go down and then
I go back to the B trying a chestier mix. Can you Tell me if this is a mix or if it's just me pulling up my chest voice. Alright, thanks again guys.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/67817035fcfb0b14/ P.S> I uploaded a few new covers to my channel. I don't quite like the apologize one, it kinda sucks, the other two are okay though i guess. I go a bit higher in these and I try to use my mix more often. The link to my channel is in the first post. Thanks for your help
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