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Jul 4 08 1:17 PM

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Okay so I have the SS program (as most of us on here do I believe). I have watched all the you tube videos and I have read all the newsletters and junk about singing from the singing success family. I have a serious confusion issue the program and what I hear from this site and other websites that teach a mix voice (even if SS is the best I know they don't have a monopoly on truth). Anyhow, My confusion is with the whole compression thing. I watched the Kelly Goolsby video excerpt of more mix please and I noticed him gaining more bite and edge to his mix as he sustained a pitch. Now my issue is the diaphragmatic support thing. In the SS program I don't remember anything except a tiny bit of information about needing more diaphragmatic support to sing higher pitches. In fact I remember brett on the first lesson opposing that argument. He says it isn't true that you need more support. So does that mean you don't need more support unless you want a hard mix from E4-Bb5? I dunno but from what I got from SS giving more diaphragmatic support is not needed. So why does everyone on this forum talk about the support thing?

Is singing in a hard mix not covered at all on the SS program? And if it isn't, why isn't it? That seems to be what everyone wants anyways. My issue is that when I add the diaphragmatic support I get too loud and I feel like I am yelling (unless I do the lip roll).

SS teaches a very light mix, it teaches how to smooth the transitions at a light volume. But it never deals with a hard mix. I just want to know why. And just so I am not misunderstood I have loved the SS program and I am glad I bought it. I am just confused about why it says nothing about a hard mix but almost all the examples have a hard mix sound to them. Am I just a moron or does anyone else know what I am talking about? Thought?
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Jul 4 08 6:23 PM

The SS program does not cover the hard, chesty mix. The reason is that people are trying to build their voices. If I give someone a sound to follow that has a hard mixed B4 in it, they would be more than willing to follow the example, even if they are not ready for it. This is going to cause damage. It's made to eliminate the possibility of damage.

- Josh Reach Beyond Everything... and you might find more than you were looking for in the first place. Domine Deus Omnipotens in cuius manu omnis victoria constistit. "The only easy day was yesterday." - Navy Seals

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Jul 4 08 6:48 PM

The reason is this:

Most people who used the program, including myself, think they have a "light mix." No, they haven't developed a light mix; they aren't using the program right. In most cases, they have developed a edgy head voice and chest voice. Not a connected voice.
You can add weight to a light mix through experimentation, but not to a edgy head voice.

So you have to ask yourself: do you truly have a light mix or just an edgy head voice? There is a difference.

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Jul 4 08 9:23 PM

good point strike, I have been experimenting this week and I have found a truly light connected mix that feels totally different from my head voice. I am sure its a mix because I have compression in it that I don't have in a head voice and other reasons I will post a clip soon but I dont have time now.

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Jul 5 08 4:16 PM

the interesting thing about this post is I now truly believe exactly what strike 123 says. When you find your mix there isn't a question in your mind about it. What I thought was my mix before was just an edgy head voice dropped down to blend with my chest voice. It isn't a mix. Once you find your mix it should develop rather fast. I am singing up to a G4 with a speech level volume in what sounds like my chest voice, but has a colorful ring to it (because my head voice is so strong). I am very excited to record this soon and show you guys what I am talking about. The mix voice holds a "light" compression. In my experience the more compression you give to your voice the more chest voice you will pull up. I hope everyone knows this stuff already, but if not I hope this can be helpful.

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