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Jul 15 07 10:53 AM

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Also, throw out all the advice I ever gave you or anybody else gave you. It is not working for you. Maybe you should quit singing for a week or two. Quit trying to become better at it.

Never forget that advice is just somebody else's perspective, somebody else's thoughts, they may be in alignment with you and work wonders, or they may not. I am sure that the effectiveness of all the advice you've gotten online would be much higher if we were giving it to you in person. You are doing with these words whatever you understand by them, and we have no way of knowing if you truly understood or not. If you are applying it the way we understand it. It's only more words, it won't help your singing, it is the application and experience that make the difference.

You will inevitably achieve the things you want to achieve, so don't worry.

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Jul 15 07 11:53 AM

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well...musiciano...

First off-i don`t worry :)

i am sorry for saying this, don`t take it as though i was bashing you o.k?

i just read what you write and it looks more like a psychological diagnosis than an unswer to an approach for some simple excedrcise. it really does. to me.

like you are saying:
"wow Leonetha. you are totally @#%$ up. you are sick in your head."

my signing becomes bette these days BECAUSE I AM FOLLOWING THE TEACHERS COMMENTS and dpoing here exarcise

the point is that following all those comments becomes a little bit confusing or hard - i tried to focus on too many things at once..and thus i am not focused on doing it in the end and tense up becasue i prepare.
but if i ODN`T prepare i don`t get any resolts. do i?

heck i seem to be stupid here.
you way that makig singing a more "involutary" process-not exactly but not doing it so everyhting initioally will help my focus and get it simple? but if i don`t initially follow her comments-then HOW should i EVER improve?


i am wriitng it becasue i started improving :D :D :D :D :D

and i want to keep doing it.

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Jul 15 07 12:30 PM

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Leonetha I agree with what musiciano said. If you had the right approach mentally you would succeed. So please do what he says. Relax, don't think about what can go wrong when you practice. Think about how it would feel to sing relaxed and try to make that thought real.

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Jul 15 07 1:14 PM

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So please do what he says. Relax, don't think about what can go wrong when you practice. Think about how it would feel to sing relaxed and try to make that thought real.


if this is ALL that he means that`s fine. :rollin
i don`t feel confused i just say that on 1 hand, i have to...
see what happenes:

1. i record a lesson

2. i send it to the voice teacher.

3. she says how to improve.

4. her crotisizm helps me. but in a way i feel somewhat needing to focus on all of it is somewhat hard....so that`s why i asked.


really here musiciano is talkign about losing touch with reality..with who i am... it`s somehting that makes me think not only about singing.and i must say that here...

maybe i missunerstood what aspect you are taliking about,musiciano. yes we talk about sinigng and vocalizing.
but why do you say things that seem way too phylosophical or spiritual or personal?
that is how i understand it.


anyways there is something good!
i think that step by step i learn by her instruciton to
coordinate and balance things batter

i hear it in my voice :D

i can hear the difference and i an not as tired after those 5 excercise like after i used to be after doing SS.

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If you had the right approach mentally you would succeed.


i feel i START to suceed. but like any begining it`s not easy
anyways it`s not that i am afraid of hard things. i would do anything.........

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Jul 15 07 1:20 PM

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You will inevitably achieve the things you want to achieve, so don't worry


with God`s help :D

thanks for the encouragement, musiciano
i am quite stubborn and hardworking so i believe i will.

and no, i don`t worry :) i am fine.

i feel i am having a breakthrough studing with this teacher!

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Maybe you should quit singing for a week or two

heck, you probably want me kill myself. :lol

after all that pain and all thos "one and off" with SS i finalyy start understanding things..and you say stop of a week....
well whatever.

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Jul 15 07 2:11 PM

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You HAVE lost touch with reality leonetha, but it's not just you it has been every single human being that I have ever personally met. It has been just about every human being that I know about. Realizing this is the first step to overcoming the false ideas that we have. It takes becoming aware of what is dysfunctional in order to discard it. What part of you is defending itself as if it was being attacked with bombs? That's the part of you that has lost touch with reality. It believes that words can threaten who you are. What part of you feels threatened? Do you feel like any less of a person because of the things that I said? What does it matter what I say? It is not what others say but how we react to it that is telling us the answer. The part of you that feels offended will do anything it has to do in order to regain a sense of regeneration. It is called your ego and it is controlling you. That is why you feel attacked and in need to defend yourself. Otherwise none of what I have written would have cause that intense feeling of attack that arose within you. Your self-image felt threatened. You believe that this is who you are and that you must defend it. It is obvious that you have lost touch with reality because you are always looking for the answer outside. Every solution to your one every problem in singing will be resolved when YOU learn how to execute it. No matter how much others know and tell you, it will not be until YOU learn it that you will have the answers. You are caught in outside seeking, in finding the answers in others. You may understand it intellectually but it is experiental knowledge that unlocks hidden potential. You will have questions for the rest of your life, you will be frustrated forever, you will be caught in seeking and get locked in "seeking mode" and continually miss the point, unless you make a shift and balance outside with inside you will have a post that says "10 years since I began SS and I am still at the begining" You have to make the switch and become aware, you have to learn how YOUR BODY SINGS, not how others do it. All my love to you.

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Jul 15 07 2:41 PM

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dear musiciano! :D

first believe me i am not offended at all!
i am not trying to defend myself! i don`t feel threatend!

i don`t have that much of an ego anymore..i have been workign on it since April 2003. yes i still do. i guess you know that self work is somehting that we are doing all our lives.

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Otherwise none of what I have written would have cause that intense feeling of attack that arose within you. Your self-image felt threatened. You believe that this is who you are and that you must defend it


no. believe me but i am not threatended and not attacked and not offended. i am in a good mood!

and i have been doing a lot of self work to be more self confident and calm and i used to be a stressed out freak but i am not any more.

i just don`t undestand the direct connection to my particilar situaiton

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Do you feel like any less of a person because of the things that I said?

-i DON`T. and i would like to know what in anyhting i wrote made you think that way...just to understand the way you are thinking...out of curousity..but if you like you can keep that to yourself. :)

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It is obvious that you have lost touch with reality because you are always looking for the answer outside.


here is the only point that i understand the connection. becasue i am asking for advice. and maybe i should figure out myself. maybe.


just LOSING TOUCH WITH REALITY i know it only from mentally ill people. that they are in one place think they are in another, etc. you don`t mean that do you :lol :lol :lol

anyways. whatever. never mind. :D
thanks for trying to help me. i think that i will talk to God.
one time i asked God to lead me in vocalizing and did an excercise i later found of 4th lesson in SS...more or less...

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You have to make the switch and become aware, you have to learn how YOUR BODY SINGS, not how others do it.


so you say i have to find on my own. correct?
i will with God`s help :)

so don`t think i am either offended or feel less by what you say musiciano.


:D -hugs-:D
"Leonetha"

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#28 [url]

Jul 15 07 5:19 PM

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leonetha,

I have lost touch with reality. That does not mean that I need to see a psychiatrist. Most of my existence I am believing in false realities and cannot appreciate what is right in front of me. I believe this to be true about everyone I personally know. The standard for a "normal" person is a gross reduction of our natural state. "Normal" people are out of touch with reality. Some more than others, but all nonetheless.

You are welcome to read more about what I am saying on this journal: theredbeliever.livejournal.com/

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Jul 16 07 6:36 AM

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MUSUCIANO! THAT`S COOL :D :D :D :D

eh, you don`t know how great it is that you gave me that link!!
i always wanted to know more about you!
i believe that on the internet we can`t KNOW each other..
but what i start reading was very interesting! i see a different person there...

and that`s what i wanted to tell you.
if you have a philosophy that we are all out of touch with reality, then it`s fine,,but i think that i wanted to tell you that in a way you were wrong. about that:

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What part of you is defending itself as if it was being attacked with bombs? That's the part of you that has lost touch with reality. It believes that words can threaten who you are. What part of you feels threatened? Do you feel like any less of a person because of the things that I said? What does it matter what I say? It is not what others say but how we react to it that is telling us the answer. The part of you that feels offended will do anything it has to do in order to regain a sense of regeneration. It is called your ego and it is controlling you. That is why you feel attacked and in need to defend yourself. Otherwise none of what I have written would have cause that intense feeling of attack that arose within you. Your self-image felt threatened. You believe that this is who you are and that you must defend it.


becasue first:

you say with such a confidance how i feel. you even don`t really know me. you don`t know how i feel. you don`t know what happenes in my mind and my soul.
posting here on the forum could never be enough to really GET TO KNOW each other. i don`t know you. and here you are talling me with such a confidance i feel less, offended, threatend. that is the first thing that seem to be wrong in the frist place.

the other thing you said wrong is actually the feelings you described. but i must say that i feel greatful for you describing all that i quoted above!
why?
becasue when i read "threatened" and "ego" and the part of me that is being offended...i don`t believe in being offended. that is following the ego. and i know better than to follow it! becasue it will make me misserable.

after reading your post i went to the back yard and did my hand standings jumps and all that stuff. i was there alone in the dark and that moment i knew that my peace, confidence and freedom don`t need a proof, like i thought once my tallents need.

so thanks you for writing that , because the way it made me feel is a proof that all the self work i have been doing has resolts.
and thanks for that link. i will read more when i have time...
:hat


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#31 [url]

Jul 16 07 8:49 AM

voice teacher vs program

ho and that, i forgot what i wanted to write, back to my topic- that`s what you also got me thinking about and i think i undersand why you were talking a about silence.


when i vocallize-the moment i am making the sound i will listen to myself.
then, if i hear threis not enough/too much legato/light/heavy/tenssion i will sing it again and correct it.

becasueu can`t focus on everything at the same time-thati`s the probelm.i was focusing on demanding form myself doing those things i want to do instead of listening and doing them

when i sang the scale i though "now legato" but couldn`t focus if i actually did it.

anyways NOW this short time i have been practicing these excercise gave me much more than practicing SS. because i feel i UNDERSTAND what i am doing.

after moths of reading and asking and feeling stuck i feel i finally MAKE PROGRESS
althought i think that without doing SS b4 this i would have one more bad habbit to overcome and
less understanding of the voice. yeah, i know that i don`t understand that much, but what i understood helps me now
.

i think that a GOOD voice teacher who understand how the voice works is a way better thing than a program - because the program can`t hear you and tell you if you are doing something wrong. thus you are stuck with the wrong thing you are doing and i don`t know what chances you understand that you are really doing it wrong....

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