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confused	Is the Pharyngeal Voice the "key" to singing above B3 in the...	Lead	[-]
Posts: 748 (09/22/08 5:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Tags : None with ease (aka mix)...? I'm frustrated because after so many lessons and after using SS, I can't sing crap (correctly) and I did practice. Doing mums and then trying it to apply it to songs seems impossible because mums is all freakin loud as hell and it also feels weak as hell. Am I supposed to train the pharyngeal voice (nay, witch's cackle) to learn easy mix? And I'm not even talking about a powerful or heavy or even a medium mix, I'm talking about a light to medium mix.
Admiraldowdy		#1	[-]
Posts: 898 (09/23/08 5:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I can understand now why the witches cackle and other high-larynx excersizes helps people get into mix, but I couldn't back when I started. I threw all that to the winds and just did liprolls and mums. I still place high importance on going through your bridges over and over again. But that is what feels good to me... Everyone is different -David
musiciano		#2	[-]
Posts: 1034 (09/23/08 6:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Although I will say it´s not WHAT you do but HOW you do it that opens one up to freedom I am going to suggest... Use something other than SS for a while and see how you do. SS is a single method... why would you limit yourself to a single thing?
BeyondTenor		#3	[-]
Posts: 3297 (09/23/08 6:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I agree. - Josh Reach Beyond Everything... and you might find more than you were looking for in the first place. Domine Deus Omnipotens in cuius manu omnis victoria constistit. "The only easy day was yesterday." - Navy Seals
confused		#4	[-]
Posts: 748 (09/23/08 7:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I currently don't have any $ that I can spend on other techniques. I guess I will just relax and not use SS for awhile. I mean, it's the end of the world. I'll just focus on my studies and other responsibilities and come back to it later. I think a lot of things are screwing me up: 1) My inability to teach myself 2) My clueless idea as to what is correct 3) My inferior genes 4) The brick walls in my room with acoustics that confuse me 5) Communal living which psychologically instills fear in my mind 6) Vocalising every time with a pillow stuck to my mouth 7) Lack of sleep from cramming for exams (I get at most 4 hours a night, usually 3) Lack of healthy calorie (shortage) intake because of lack of $ 9) Lack of drinking water daily (or any liquid for that matter) 10) My slow learning habit 11) My inferiority But,
BeyondTenor		#5	[-]
Posts: 3297 (09/23/08 10:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Have you thought of thinking positively? Negativity is the single-most killer. - Josh Reach Beyond Everything... and you might find more than you were looking for in the first place. Domine Deus Omnipotens in cuius manu omnis victoria constistit. "The only easy day was yesterday." - Navy Seals
musiciano		#6	[-]
Posts: 1034 (09/24/08 9:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Sounds like your ego is spinning around in a way that works to disempower you. It's so common. Wake up, don't believe any of it, come out of the trance... all that stuff is part of a dream you are creating... and that dream is who you think you are so it's your favorite thing in the world. See reality. You are not unable to teach yourself, nobody is. There is no such thing as "correct." Things can be in or out of alignment and when they are in alignment the biggest idiot will recognize this, your genes are not inferior, that's BS you made up because it's a perfect excuse. The brick walls are not a problem, it's the tension in your throat and body. Communal living can instill fear in your mind because YOU LET IT. What the heck is there to be "afraid" about? A self-indulgent college buddy saying some BS like "OMG, he cracked! LMAO!" PLEASE. Grow up! The pillow thing is a lie and you know it. The lack of sleep comes from your lack of taking responsibility for yourself. You aren't eating well because you have not made the agreement that your body is your most direct belonging and it is the most important thing to cater to. It has nothing to do with $ and entirely with your crappy state of consciousness. There is nothing wrong with most tap water, so drink more water Mr. Excuses. Who cares about the speed at which one learns? Only you do, in your head. The inferiority BS is yet another story, perhaps your favorite. It makes you feel SUPERIOR actually in the sense that you are perhaps "The BIGGEST failure there ever will be" So thing BIG failure turns out making you end out to be the BEST of all the inferiors. It gives you an identity among those who are "superior." It defines clearly who you think you are and it makes you feel comfy. The "inferior" one. You probably label other people too. The "confident" one, the "mean" one, the "annoying" one, the "smart" one, the "geek," the "this," the "that." It's so easy to live through the fake screen we create to make a virtual soap opera out of our lives. WAKE UP. It's all fake creation of your mind. We are just energy vibrating at a certain frequency and we can morph into almost anything... turn the vibrational frequency of your energy up and rise above the hell you are creating on earth. Go beyond positive and negative thinking, go beyond thinking. Read "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle or "A New Earth" by the same author... it will accelerate your awakening.
BeyondTenor		#7	[-]
Posts: 3297 (09/24/08 9:13 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	GREAT post. Once you convince you mind of something, it becomes reality. - Josh Reach Beyond Everything... and you might find more than you were looking for in the first place. Domine Deus Omnipotens in cuius manu omnis victoria constistit. "The only easy day was yesterday." - Navy Seals
confused		#8	[-]
Posts: 748 (10/02/08 5:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	DUDE, I WANT SOME CHICKEN MCNUGGETS NOW.
marktrumpet		#9	[-]
Posts: 4 (10/21/08 10:20 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I have been having a lot of luck using the syllables "guh" and "no" followed by singing exercises on very narrow vowels like "ooh" and "ee" "Nays" always left me too tight and "mums" caused me to sing flat. I also do some edgy humming to start with.
JollyJake		#10	[-]
Posts: 2329 (10/23/08 11:33 AM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Are you still training with the Singing Success program? How long have you had it and how long did you train for? Those exercises you are doing are fine, but Singing Success is a system - a full workout - you should be using. Jake "Work very, very hard - be grounded, be passionate about what you do and find the thing within yourself to make you want to be you. Go beyond me, be yourself, say what you want to say." - Josh Groban "The better you are at vocalizing, the better you will be at singing." - Musiciano
tkogiah		#11	[-]
Posts: 52 (10/24/08 5:08 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Dude honestly I fell very similar and I have had SS since '05 I should be hella amazing right now. But, I was lazy and sang until I was content. I know I am improving but it doesn't feel like it at all because it's a few small improvements over a long period of time. I want to give you some singing advice but I am not going to give it to you like an expert. I am also going to give you some personal advice since I love Jesus and that what I am about bro. 1) dude if you want to sing and sing well, you are going to have to learn to get over worrying about what people think about you. My girlfriend has an amazing sounding voice but she is so insecure about others hearing her that she never gets to experience the joy of sharing her emotions through singing with anyone. I am so friggin jealous of how easy and natural her voice sounds and her timbre is so palatable it's like drinking milk tea (DELICIOUS). She will not sing out because of fear, I have taught her so much about her voice her range has increased at least half an octave and I have not developed any bad habits in her vocalization. But she still wont sing out because of fear. On the other hand... ...I for the most part do not sound good when I sing, but I have a lot of dynamic in my vocal ability so people do enjoy my singing because of all my tricks (whenever I play for friends or a show or whatever I get loads of encouragement). But back in '02 and '03 when I really started taking singing seriously my brother and best friends were total penises. Most of them were good at singing and music and they were so friggin discouraging I would cry about it. Well, I am a better person for it, and I learned this... ...if something is worth having, it is worth fighting for... I still am not amazing at singing but I get better everyday because I fight and I don't give a damn what anyone says bad about my inability to sing because "I" love singing more than anything else in the world (other than lovin' on Jesus). So first things first. Evaluate something for me: "Going through the journey to becoming an amazing singer" VS "Taking the easy road and always wanting more" Which would you rather have? Evaluate, decide, and then it's all over, decisions made. 2)When you posted this thread it was 19 days after you just started doing SS over again, singing is like body building you have to train train train. Dude seriously you can't do something for half a month and then say "it's not working". That's like a kid trying to learn basic addition and subtraction and then getting pissy because he can't comprehend graph functions. I mean seriously you need to be patient and learn one step at a time. Jake said some things that gave me a great idea. why don't I work out the bad habits that I "KNOW" I can fix and see if that gives me the tools to release something else in my voice. Hey if it doesn't I STILL DID SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. All this time I have been working on a mix voice when I may not be able to sing a mix because of all my years of bad vocal habits. This is probably, unfortunately the truth. Sorry it was so long you will do fine just fight for it mang. -Marcus-
marktrumpet		#12	[-]
Posts: 4 (10/25/08 6:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I used SS for about a year and a half, and I think I'm still following the basic principles. On the last disc, Brett says to experiment. I watched 6 of the lessons on the SS online website, read Love's book about SLS and Seth's book. For six months I kept a diary of my individual practice and would record myself noting which exercises gave me the nicest tone and allowed me to sing in tune most easily. I don't have a lot of time to practice now so I do what I can, I just don't have 40 minutes of uninterrupted time so I have to break it up, in small sessions throughout the day. I'm constantly using my voice to speak so what I have to do might be different from what you have to do. Whenever, I feel like I'm not making progress I tweak my routine a little changing something. Like I said I've been getting the best results using "No's" "Guh's" and narrow vowels and edgy humming. I'm sure I will change my routine in the future, but right now these things are working.

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